Comments by Bob Ptacek

Photo: Surfing at Kelp Cove

October 16, 2006
Happy to oblige. Just above my statement in the 10/11 posting that you referenced, are the details. On 10/5 at 7:47pm you posted “ I used to go to that beach almost every day for about 7 years……” On 10/10 at 8:27pm you posted “from about 10 years of experience of visiting this beach….” That is the clearest way I can think of explaining why I think you are “stretching”. Let me try a different approach, maybe you can tell me how adding 3 years to 7 is not “stretching”. If 7 and…

Photo: Surfing at Kelp Cove

October 16, 2006
Ray, if you would listened with the same focus as you speak you would have been able to see that my replies were to address your bvious ”stretching” of your experience. And since you insist that others stay firmly on the facts (as you are doing on another topic where you are obviously accusing Ken of “stretching” 2 points together that in your opinion have no relationship). I find it very interesting that you demand something from someone that you apparently are unwilling to adhere to yourself.…

Photo: Surfing at Kelp Cove

October 12, 2006
Ray, It’s always important for people to be as educated as possible on facts before they speak and not to invent experience in order to justify an opinion. You justified your statements on your experience with observations of the beach. Yet in 5 days you gained 3 years of experience. You correctly point out logic/fact faults in other postings. I just don’t believe you are entitled to an exemption to your own rule.

Photo: Surfing at Kelp Cove

October 11, 2006
Ray, You are amazed at the number of “experts” that are created by just reading a book. Your implication is obvious, people are stretching to make/support a point and don’t really know that much. Yet between 10/5 7:47pm and 10/10 8:27pm you gained 3 years of experience with the beach (from” I used to go to that beach almost every day for about 7 years” to “from about 10 years of experience of visiting this beach”). I don’t like being the fact police, but when massive stretching is…

What does Nimby really mean?

October 06, 2006
Mary while "How is one to know in advance that seemingly accurate words....." is true, but "Nimby" and "No-Growther" are not words. They are created to explain/support a position or opinion and therefore there is clear intented meaning. They are not the same as attributes like blond, short, skinny etc. Saying how could I know that it would be taken wrong is not a defense when clear indented meaning is the sole purpose for it’s use.

What does Nimby really mean?

October 06, 2006
If you don't like colors and insist that a name calling is needed. I suggest "Close-Minded" because that at least can be used by both sides.

What does Nimby really mean?

October 06, 2006
Barry, You are right. And in a professional setting, that can fall into the harassment category. But since there seems to be a need (not necessarily productive or right) to have some term that show a righteous indignation about an opposing point of view that is intended to demean / insult that point of view, why don’t we all adopt a standard set of insults to show level of frustration with opposing points. If everyone used a standard we don’t have to try to invent new ones or try to make a neutral…

What does Nimby really mean?

October 05, 2006
Ray, Since we are wondering if I read prior postings, I have to ask if you possible did not read my first posting completely. I initially said Barry touched on a bigger issue than who calls who a Nimby. That word just happened to be the most conveniently term to explain my point. I took no position on it or any development stand. I said “When one side hears from another side, the approach is to insults and name call the other point of view with as negative a term as possible” How someone personally…

What does Nimby really mean?

October 04, 2006
Ray, you are not sure that Nimby is meant to be insulting ??????? Wow !!!! Trust me, it is not indented to be a compliment or a term of endearment No one that exhibits behavior or holds values what others call Nimby, ever refer to themselves as Nimby. That term is used by those that hold opposing values and Nimby is absolutely intended to be insulting and is definitely intended to demean anything that a “Nimbyite” might say. It insinuates that those opinions have no value. Whereas your ”pesky…

What does Nimby really mean?

October 04, 2006
Barry, while I think it was good to start a conversation about what makes a Nimby a Nimby, (and as you’ve seen by comments, there are varying opinions), what I think you touched on is much bigger. And that is, what does someone from one point of view call someone from another point of view. Sadly as a society we have stepped away from communication, discussion, and compromise. We have drifted to total annihilation of opposing points of view and total dominance for our point. When one side hears…

Letter: Smart Growth and the Coastside

September 26, 2006
Terry, While I look forward to our offline discussion, I can’t leave incomplete or partial dangling statements sitting in a large public forum unaddressed. While consolidation of public services might appear to satisfy one need, there are many factors and financial impacts that have to also be addressed beyond the simple “ why don’t we just……etc”. Leonard pointed out at least two that are pretty significant and can’t be ignored. Removing something that one either doesn’t like or thinks…

Letter: Smart Growth and the Coastside

September 25, 2006
Nate, Excellent observation. Mr Bacon�s original posting had to do with growth philosophies. And then there were additional postings that dealt with opinions for both sides of the argument./philosophy. For some reason, a tangent happened that brings in operations of special districts. I for one have always believed growth philosophies and direction are a zoning and planning topics, not an operational topic. And I have consistently stuck to that when any zoning and planning discussion come up.…

Letter: Smart Growth and the Coastside

September 25, 2006
Terry your first posting on this matter was Sunday 9/24 at 4:34 pm by 8:44pm, having not heard from any board member, you claimed it was very interesting “that there is no commentary from any of the MWSD board on any of these areas of interest to the community.” Obviously attempting to imply there is some negative or hidden reason about board member not responding. I have always been more than willing to talk to you and have never avoided discussing facts with you. But implying that I have to…

Welcome to the public beta test of the new Coastsider

August 28, 2006
Thank you Barry for the new feature to add pictures. Now I can finally add a correct visible reflection of what people think of me already.

Opinion: Thursday’s fire board meeting is critical

August 17, 2006
I do not believe that anyone would disagree that the upcoming decision is a very hard one and that emotions are running high on all sides. But unfortunately public officials are not chartered to make the decisions based on emotions but on all available facts and data that best serve their represented community. And they are not allowed to make a decision that benefits or impacts a selected portion of their community. And while costs and impacts of the 2 outsourcing options are very well documented,…

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